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rick_dangerous
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Post subject: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 21:01 |
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I for one cannot stand the plastic sleeves, they crinkle and crumble and are generally useless.
The sturdier paper ones (sometimes with plastic anti-static lining) are amazing. I would like to upgrade my entire collection to using these paper sleeves.
Has anyone come across anyone that sells them in bulk, maybe 100 packs or more? Now---Not the record LP holders mind you, which have the hole in the middle and edges, but legit lasterdisc ones.
I wonder how hard it would be to get them made in china or somewhere if there was enough interest?
Was watching The Fugitive last night with my wife, which comes on two discs, and fiddling with the plastic bags was annoying as ever.
Thanks for any insight; tips or tricks in this regard.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 21:11 |
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In short; you don’t want this. You can already buy 12x12 sleeves aftermarket, they’ve been available for 70 years including round bottom poly ones. You don’t want anything but the annoying ones though unless the LD came with a paper one in the first place.
The topic comes up so often I’ve started putting together a video to explain why paper sucks. Paper-only is completely out of the question for several reasons, mainly because the heavy LD will rip through it and also paper has no anti static aspect so dust and hairs will stick to the media. The paper plus plastic ones usually are larger which causes the outer jacket to likely eventually burst.
This video, which I’ve been promising for at least two years, is in fact under construction. Filming is complete, editing is underway.
_________________ All about LD care, inner sleeves, shrink wrap, etc.
https://youtu.be/b3O-vHpHRpM
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rick_dangerous
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 21:42 |
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I agree with everything you are saying...
I guess i'm a fan of the paper ones, with the anti static plastic lining. When done right, these fit properly inside the cardboard sleeves and won't burst them over time.
I notice the cardboard on the spine bursts out the back a lot, and this is mostly with discs with the light plastic bags only. Because people will drop them in too fast, theyll slip a few inches and slam into the bottom of the cardboard.
So i guess....yes paper is bad (why i would not buy LP sleeves as replacements) so did anyone ever secure old stock of the paper/plastic hybrid inserts that are the best of both worlds? Or make new ones, that are currently being sold? Probably not, but thought i'd ask.
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rick_dangerous
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 28 Feb 2020, 22:59 |
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cplusplus wrote: I use https://www.bcwsupplies.com/polylined-r ... re-cornersYou can find them cheaper from other resellers than through their website. Wait, you use these guys, but they are cheaper elsewhere?
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 01:27 |
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Nah, you don’t want to “roll” the disc out. You want the opening at the top as you slide it in. That way every layer locks in the previous layer. If one’s EC is so crumpled that this is impossible then replace it with another EC and don’t trash it. They are crumpled because of previous users and/or the factory. It’s easy to keep them totally crumpled free. I’ve been doing it for decades.
You can tell which discs have been “rolled” in and out for years because the opening of the cardboard is often trashed by dozens of dings. When people use hardcore jackets like those ziplock ones the problem becomes twice as bad.
LDs/records will never be indestructible. The key isn’t to seal them up, it’s to develop ways to handle the things that don’t ruin them. Every time I watch a disc, off with the outer bag, then the inner bag and inserts and disc come out as one, then the disc comes out of the inner bag. I look at everything then when the movie is over I put it all back. Nothing is adhesive, ziplocked, or in any way upgraded over original.
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https://youtu.be/b3O-vHpHRpM
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cplusplus
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 01:44 |
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signofzeta wrote: When people use hardcore jackets like those ziplock ones the problem becomes twice as bad. These are the absolute worst. I have a stack of LaserLand branded ones I need to get rid of.
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takeshi666
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 11:03 |
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signofzeta wrote: Nah, you don’t want to “roll” the disc out. Who does that?
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pokefraker
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 11:35 |
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takeshi666 wrote: signofzeta wrote: Nah, you don’t want to “roll” the disc out. Who does that? Heathens.I'll add my pony to this debate, the elephant condoms suck, but every single paper one I have is borderline falling apart or very brittle. As far as covers for sleeves, I just use a very thin plastic slipcover to prevent my bookcase from damaging the edges when I pull one off of it.
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odotb3
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 11:40 |
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Never had any luck putting the onion sleeves back in without completely crumpling them. Maybe I'm just heavy handed but honestly I hate them. Plus as others have mentioned they tend to punch through the jacket and ruin it. I really dont care if an lds jacket is damaged as long as the spine isn't damaged! That really irritates me. When you look at your laserdisc collection on the shelf and all the spines are blown out. Poly lined sleeves all day.
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saeba
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Post subject: Re: Paper Sleeves VS Plastic Sleeves Posted: 29 Feb 2020, 13:40 |
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I really think US' sleeves must be different from the ones we got here then, because none of the paper sleeves I have are torn or whatever. Also the sticking out problem isn't really present, most of the time it's because the outer cardboard sleeve itself is shorter than the others so the paper stick out a little but not much. Although I got used to the EC sleeves I got now and know how to handle them somewhat properly, I still thinks the paper+plastic most my discs came with are way superior, either for handling, built quality or looks, because let's be honest, they aren't called elephant condoms for nothing.
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