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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 07:27 |
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jakeheke wrote: Culturedog has done a fantastic video regarding watching LDs in the correct aspect ratio with modern TVs That's why I wrote this a long time ago... https://www.lddb.com/help_ratio.phpJulien
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 07:34 |
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admin wrote: jakeheke wrote: Culturedog has done a fantastic video regarding watching LDs in the correct aspect ratio with modern TVs That's why I wrote this a long time ago... https://www.lddb.com/help_ratio.phpJulien Right with ya Julian, That is a fantastic guide. Just a friendly reminder to the new crew.
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 09:46 |
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spyrogyro wrote: Good, informative vid.
Also, I can never quite understand when I see a comment like "well, it looks fine and is good enough for me". You've been shown the right way to do it but insist on digging your heels in. People hate to admit when their wrong, people are far too prideful for their own good.
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 12:54 |
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My dad was like that, guy refused to buy widescreen releases on DVD, would only buy fullscreen ones. Watching Star Wars in the correct aspect ratio for the first time and without the special edition changes was fantastic.
Guy was serious about his surround sound setup though, I'd love to have those old receivers.
Edit: I called him up and he has all his old surround sound stuff in the garage, he said I'm welcome to any of it, so that's going to be fun.
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 17:17 |
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rein-o wrote: 45 minutes........... this person needs to learn how to direct or "trim the fat"
Scanned it, wish they showed the image from LD, must have a large collection but no player? This comment is just....wow. Rude. Thoughtless. Unnecessary. Rein-O, you're advised to just scroll past things like this if your "input" is nothing more than a derogatory slam. There is no need to comment on every single topic here, as you do. Yes, of course, you're entitled to your opinion as I'm sure you will retort. When you take the time to shoot, edit and present an informative video to help the community and to further engage new enthusiasts of this format and to help them understand the technology better, please let us know so we can all comment on how crappy we think your video is. Thanks for sharing your opinion Rein-O!
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 17:34 |
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So you don't think they or you could have done better?? I'm just saying, can't I say? Just wish they showed an actual TV with an actual LD playing to show on their TV or even computer monitor to show what the image should look like IRL. If you though I was bashing then yes I guess I was due to the fact that there is a 45 minute video with a talking head and nothing showing an actual LD image. There have been other videos I've seen that are worse but they are shorter and do get to the point and actually show what they are supposed to be talking about IRL. Just would have been nice to see a worse video showing how things work with an actual monitor and LD, even some early non-anamorphic DVDs have this same issue. Could have shown how to deal with that too. Think about this one Kevin, you got me to post a second time on this topic Was this your video?
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 11 May 2020, 21:05 |
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Back on topic, rare statement from me lmao !
Ok, when I was first exposed to a " widescreen " visual home theater experience in the early 1990's it was very difficult for me to process mentally. I found the black bars, no pun here, unsightly and undesirable.
Speed up a few years later, just after joining the Columbia House LaserDisc Club. I would avoid academy ratio aspects if possible when purchasing video media. I wished the full panoramic view for any and all features.
So my point is, for me initially, the black bars widescreen format was TOTALLY alien. Took me a bit to come to the "light"
Thanks to jakeheke and Julien for their links...... As a older member I found this informative, and second the idea that for new members "key" to augment their audio / visual experience.
Cheers mates
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 12 May 2020, 02:10 |
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elahrairrah wrote: Are there that many people not watching LDs in the proper aspect ratio? You wouldn't believe how many people just plug things to their video system without fine-tuning ANYTHING. Ratio is wrong, luminosity/contrast is wrong, the hell'ish 100~240Hz refresh rate is turned on with all DNR enabled at max value. It's a mess. Faces are not moving in sync with heads, max resolution is not enabled, sides are stretched, details are either lost in shadows or background noise shows up in over brightness, extra refresh rate makes anything looks like a cheap video recording. Every time I go around visiting (extended) family and we eventually sit down around a TV screen at some point... I have to battle the nerd in me to not jump to the set and and start tuning it. Trying to avoid a " he's showing off again" reaction. But when I do and suddenly the colors are more natural, the faces ratio is what a normal human person would look like, etc. I get a "Oh... I had no idea you could do that! Thank you." 50% of the job was to choose and buy a TV (usually "bigger is better" regardless of native resolution or options). 40% ... is to go home and install/power/plug it so it displays something. 10% ... make sure the kids' PlayStation/XBox works well. There's no time budget allowed for picture fine-tuning or calibration. I bet most people expect their TV set to be fully optimized when leaving the factory. I'm still trying to make my (quite technically inclined) parents understand the benefits of a video processor but I am losing that battle. They just like watching movies at my place because "it looks like a movie theater". Julien
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 12 May 2020, 09:44 |
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pokefraker wrote: Edit: I called him up and he has all his old surround sound stuff in the garage, he said I'm welcome to any of it, so that's going to be fun. I actually asked my folks about the same thing because they used to have this fairly basic hi-fi unit that nevertheless was modular and was just the kind of thing I needed but the last I ever saw it was in the garage where my dad was still using it...except it was no longer there either and the best response I could get out of them regarding what happened was "it broke". I'm never going to find out what the hell that meant. Also I'm gonna have to agree with rein-o on this one, I also got the impression culturedog spends way too much time explaining what should be a reasonably simple concept and inadvertedly makes it sound more complicated than it actually is, and just having proper visual demonstrations of everything would reduce the need to merely talk about it significantly. Then again, the way he talks about the facebook group and the "Aspect ratio police" just makes that place sound like an absolute cesspit.
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Post subject: Re: Are we watching Laserdiscs wrong? Posted: 12 May 2020, 11:27 |
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takeshi666 wrote: Then again, the way he talks about the facebook group and the "Aspect ratio police" just makes that place sound like an absolute cesspit. Social media. That video is way too long. Here's my attempt at covering the same video: - Buy a TV
- Buy a Blu Ray player, DVD player, LD player, Photoplasmichypotrophicpsychohologram player or whatever
- Buy some AV gear (optional)
- Connect it all up
- Play some media
- DON'T f**k ABOUT WITH IT!
- End.
Job done.
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