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teddanson
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 14:43 |
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rein-o wrote: tweeg wrote: But like some of you, I'm more intrigued by the possibilities of what this project means for lost media restoration as a whole moving forward. Sentai Filmworks caught flack for their Maiden Japan label Blu-Ray release of "Xabungle" not even two years ago because that title, like A-ko, no longer has a master copy and so they ripped LDs for that release. Sadly, I missed out on buying that limited release before it sold out and the flippers began re-marketing it for $200. But just the fact it finally got licensed and released should have been enough to have made everyone who was fortunate enough to have scored a copy very happy. Interesting, is there a forum or site that says which releases are direct rips from LDs and which are not? I was trying to watch angel cop last night streaming and I swear it was a rip from an LD. If this is the case then I now know why the anime LDs are still commanding high prices. Angel Cop is from Betamax masters. It's all that is left from source material apparently.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 24 Sep 2020, 15:41 |
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tweeg wrote: signofzeta wrote: You don’t seem to understand how much AI goes into these things. It’s like if I paused the LD and had someone draw the frame themselves again. There is little trace of the original if they don’t want there to be. In the end %80 of the color resolution will have been fabricated by software. It’s like motion smoothing but within a single frame. When essentially oversampling (using more than one LD) and performing post processing that takes a day to render you absolutely can make a better image than you will get with an actual LD player. This is mostly because of the AI but also because you’re “playing” the LD in a way that gives a better image than any player ever built by Pioneer alone you have way more information and likely zero noise.
Would scanning the print look better. ABSOLUTELY. A high quality HD version of a high quality anime is a rare and special thing though. Not everything can be the Unico double feature BR. Most of the time the feature isn’t worth the treatment and if it is often the masters are lost. This is as good as current knowledge allows for this particular work. If you've ever heard the sole sub-contractor who does all of this restoration work and disc authoring by himself for Discotek in a interview you'd know he doesn't really all spend that much time on any given project. Now granted, I think because of the nature of this current project he's likely to spend a ton of time just learning the process. I use to own all the A-ko releases on VHS, then later upgraded from those to the DVDs. Personally, finding this project very interesting, but also no plans of buying it when it releases. Could the picture quality be better? Well certainly, and good luck to him in this seemingly time consuming process. But for me, I'll stick with the DVD box set that I'm very happy and content to own. But like some of you, I'm more intrigued by the possibilities of what this project means for lost media restoration as a whole moving forward. Sentai Filmworks caught flack for their Maiden Japan label Blu-Ray release of "Xabungle" not even two years ago because that title, like A-ko, no longer has a master copy and so they ripped LDs for that release. Sadly, I missed out on buying that limited release before it sold out and the flippers began re-marketing it for $200. But just the fact it finally got licensed and released should have been enough to have made everyone who was fortunate enough to have scored a copy very happy. That Xabungle collection sat around for a long time. I got it when it hit $24.99 last year.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 25 Sep 2020, 00:38 |
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I knew what I was getting. LDs on a BluRay. It looks fine. It takes an entire shed to store 35mm masters of year long TV series. A garage for Kinnikuman or Dragonball. Anime is cheap, CHEAP. TV anime is even cheaper. They busted their asses to get that thing to a telecine guy before a deadline so they’d have a tape to duplicate for broadcasters. They weren’t that concerned with the original since it had no known use at the time. Ten years later...still no use, maybe it got lost. It sucks about A-ko and Flashback 2012, but less so for Xabungle. 
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 14:39 |
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signofzeta wrote: I knew what I was getting. LDs on a BluRay. It looks fine. See I never knew they were doing this, found some other anime last night streaming, sort of feel cheated. To me this is the same as film companies releasing MOD Manufactured On Demand, I don't like buying burned DVDs from private individuals and don't like doing it from companies either, have I done both in the past, yes but I don't like it.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 30 Sep 2020, 17:13 |
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What you want DOESN'T EXIST and it’s IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE. I’m sorry you feel ripped off by streaming. Go buy the box set for $800.
I see no relationship to major motion picture companies doing DVD-R, which I loathe. In that case the studio often does have a brand new scan (Manchu Eagle) but they put it on a burn which is just betrayal of the customer. Sometimes they do just drop tapes onto DVDs but the only one I have like that is the Rankin Bass Wind in the Willows which, like A-Ko, probably lost it’s negative decades ago. Since this is a major favorite of mine and it had never been released in any format anywhere in the world before, I got it. I don’t regret it.
In the case of A-Ko, as far as we know, we have no choice. There is no negative or theatrical print that anyone seems to be able to locate. Therefore until we find one the LD is all there is. Do you want A-Ko to go out of print forever? Is that what you’re saying should happen? Yes?
No? Well if no then it’s time for the next generation of fans to see this movie. How? They’re going to convert it to MP4 because that’s what people use now. There aren’t anything like enough working LD players in the world for people to see it that way so, sorry, that plan sucks donkey D. It’s going to have to be made as good as possible so people won’t feel ripped off after watching it. So let’s make the best BR we can out of an LD using quite cutting edge methods. That’s the plan, I probably won’t buy it, but that’s the plan because...WTF else can they do? Seriously. You’re so informed, explain it.
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takeshi666
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 01:56 |
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skyjedi2020 wrote: I cannot speak for the perfect disc since i never had it, but other than that this film has never looked good on home video.
I have the original DVD and original Laserdisc from the US release just not the letterbox DVD.
Did they lose the original master tape what is the point of capturing a Laserdisc? There should be a composite video master the original laserdisc was made from.
That is what they usually do if the negative was destroyed and is missing or they don't want the expense of tracking down and scanning a theatrical print. Could be it's the victim of that same fire that befell many other OVAs from that same time period. I know Armored Trooper VOTOMS: Shining Heresy was one of those victims, and I think Armored Hunter Mellowlink and possibly the Starship Troopers OVA were also among them, I'm not entirely sure.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Project A-Ko Blu ray remaster is using Domesday LD captu  Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 14:20 |
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skyjedi2020 wrote: I cannot speak for the perfect disc since i never had it, but other than that this film has never looked good on home video.
I have the original DVD and original Laserdisc from the US release just not the letterbox DVD.
Did they lose the original master tape what is the point of capturing a Laserdisc? There should be a composite video master the original laserdisc was made from.
That is what they usually do if the negative was destroyed and is missing or they don't want the expense of tracking down and scanning a theatrical print. Something tells me they already thought of that.
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