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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2020, 18:02 
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Is the R7G still being serviced by Pioneer?
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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
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teddanson wrote:
Is the R7G still being serviced by Pioneer?


=> Look at the beginning of this topic.

It was serviced until September 30th.
They discontinued all LD servicing now.

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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2020, 19:32 
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Is the R7G still being serviced by Pioneer?


=> Look at the beginning of this topic.

It was serviced until September 30th.
They discontinued all LD servicing now.

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Looks like the boat just set sail without you Ted ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2020, 20:36 
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It's very good that you are willing to do this Julien. I don't feel that I'd ever personally need one of these but of course that's not what this is about therefore I would suggest if other members were prepared to do the same I'd happily chuck in a $/€/£ or so towards a purchase, what do others think?


Ultimately... someone contacted me some time ago to work on a phone app that connects to an Infra Red module and could be able to emulate any remote control for which we have a signal list.

This way we'd just have to learn controls once and have them available to others forever.
Never a lost remote control because we wouldn't need them.

So... would piling up 48 basic remote controls make sense?

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I think there will always be a market as many people rather have an actual remote control vs an emulator. Also, as time goes on remotes will be lost/broken and people will want replacements. You can certainly ask for a reasonable markup and would recover any upfront costs.
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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2020, 21:44 
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Whoops! I misread this part:

"I should improve my googling skills, Pioneer was still officially servicing CLD-R5 and CLD-R7G."

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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
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Maybe we can find stuff in their trash or the closest dump :lol: or ask for the company that recycle it if we can take it. :roll:


That's the even crazier part.

As a company disposing of electronic parts, Pioneer will have to PAY a government tax to get rid of the inventory and then PAY a recycling company to take care of them.

Makes absolutely no sense to me from a business point of view.

But then Japanese companies are not famous for being rational and business-minded. They'd rather stick to the established rules and never, ever step aside from what their management told them to do. Whoever takes such a decision could be blamed internally.

=> Look for "new old stock" on YAJ if they already have a secret deal to turn over these parts through a friendly 3rd-party company...

Extending the remote control buying window by a week is probably the best they could do but... what a wasteful way to handle anything.

I'll buy a dozen (keeping that budget below Y30,000).
That's the only thing I can really do now that the door shut close after Sept 30th.

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PostPosted: 04 Oct 2020, 15:24 
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Everybody needs to search up the Gibson guitar smashing of around 500 guitars, its a business thing not a right or wrong.

Its an insurance and law thing, I'm no lawyer but justice is blind and you need to understand how it works.

I'm really amazed they have any parts left considering how expensive property and space is in a place like Japan for them to hold onto parts for ancient
electronics for almost 20 years now.
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Got the confirmation phone call from Pioneer today.

Picking up the serviced LD-S9 (+ used parts removed) and 12 x remote controls on Monday.

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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 08 Oct 2020, 18:27 
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vrunk11 wrote:
Maybe we can find stuff in their trash or the closest dump :lol: or ask for the company that recycle it if we can take it. :roll:


That's the even crazier part.

As a company disposing of electronic parts, Pioneer will have to PAY a government tax to get rid of the inventory and then PAY a recycling company to take care of them.

Makes absolutely no sense to me from a business point of view.

But then Japanese companies are not famous for being rational and business-minded. They'd rather stick to the established rules and never, ever step aside from what their management told them to do. Whoever takes such a decision could be blamed internally.

=> Look for "new old stock" on YAJ if they already have a secret deal to turn over these parts through a friendly 3rd-party company...

Extending the remote control buying window by a week is probably the best they could do but... what a wasteful way to handle anything.

I'll buy a dozen (keeping that budget below Y30,000).
That's the only thing I can really do now that the door shut close after Sept 30th.

Julien


You’re right about all of this, of course. But it’s not a money question, it’s a do the correct thing question. Pioneer never sold an LD player that said “user serviceable parts inside”. They don’t feel like changing their mind on that. People are dumber than ever. If one person electrocutes themselves working on a player with the intent to replace a part that cost $4.36 it would be a potentially catastrophic loss to the company as well. Those parts are precious to us but to Pioneer it’s just a stack of junk that is long paid for and they’ve been waiting years and years to dump.

The only chance would have been to have them sell to a third party established professional operation, a lateral move for the parts. That would have very little chance as well but it’s the only possibility I can envision.

Despite this I can name very few products with this level of dedication to quality. Probably none are as cheap as an LD player. GM won’t even sell pre-bankruptcy parts anymore, for example.
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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 13 Oct 2020, 03:28 
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Picking up the serviced LD-S9 (+ used parts removed) and 12 x remote controls on Monday.


LD-S9 back home with 12x remote controls + the replaced VWT1100 (optical block).

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Servicing date: October 3rd 2020

Since there were only advertising CLD-R5 and CLD-R7G for servicing until the deadline, I'm quite sure this is the last S9 that Pioneer will ever service!

They did a little more than I expected:

  • VWT1100 (carrier assy w/ cable)
  • VEB1184 (belt)
  • DEB1169 (rubber sheet)
  • VNL1663 (thrust holder)
  • VEB1114 (cushion rubber sheet)

Tested (of course!) the player right away for issue and it works fine. It's even a little more quiet than before and the fresh rubber sheets spin the discs up faster than before.

Mission accomplished!

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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
PostPosted: 13 Oct 2020, 03:41 
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Glad you have your player back & all good.

As you said it must be among the last that PIONEER will have worked on.

Such a pity though that the remaining parts they held will be lost to a recycling plant or a landfill, rather sad but thanks for trying.

Cheers :thumbup: .
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Can I just echo the posting from je280 above, but also add that it's quite fitting that you of all people Julien should possess the last ever Pioneer serviced S9 (or even last ever LD player?) I hope it has a long life ahead of it :thumbup:
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So cool to see, yet also so sad.

Great to see an LD player having a wash, clean pants and a dab of Blue Stratos though as Pioneer bid farewell to the Laserdisc market forever.

Excuse me, I have something in my eye...
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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
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Well, too bad for the parts, japanese companies really have it stuck up theirs when it comes to policies.
Nice for you though. How much did the S9 servicing cost ?
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How much did the S9 servicing cost ?


Converted to US$:

VWT1100 - $180
VEB1184 - $2
DEB1169 - $6
VNL1663 - $2
VEB1114 - $2
Servicing - $125
VAT/GST - $31.70
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Total = $349

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I hope it has a long life ahead of it :thumbup:


Destined to become my monitoring/audio ripping station together with the newly acquired Zoom U-44!

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 Post subject: Re: Pioneer Japan LD Player Servicing ending 2020/09/30
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Final update to the LD Support page (for Japan) was on November 17th, 2020 (FAQ on November 13th):

https://jpn.pioneer/ja/support/oshirase_etc/ld_info/
https://jpn.pioneer/ja/support/oshirase_etc/ld_info/qa.php

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For customers who use laser disc players ~ Notice of discontinuation of production ~ (2009/1/14)

Thank you for your continued patronage of our products.

Since the launch of the laser disc player in October 1981, we have sold a total of approximately 3.6 million units in Japan, and have been favored by many customers. Thank you very much.

As new media such as DVDs and BDs (Blu-ray Discs) have become established in the market these days, it has become difficult to procure dedicated parts necessary for production, and it is unavoidable that after about 3000 units to be manufactured (DVL-919, CLD-R5, DVK-900, DVL-K88) production will end the production of laser disc players.

Notice of end of after-sales service (2020/11/17)

We have set a retention period for repair parts in order to support repairs after the warranty period has expired.
The holding period of repair performance parts (parts necessary to maintain the function of the product) of the laser disc player is 8 years from the end of production of each model.
In addition, even after this holding period has passed, if there are parts, we will repair them, but since the parts inventory has run out, we have terminated the after-sales service.


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Why did you end production? (2009/1/14)

It became difficult to continue the business because it became difficult to procure the main parts necessary for the continuous production of laser disc players in the future.

My current laserdisc player is out of order, can it be repaired? (2020/11/13)

We have held and repaired performance parts for each model for eight years, starting from the end of product production.
In addition, we have been dealing with parts after that, but we have terminated the after-sales service because the parts inventory has run out.

Can you tell me when the production will end for each model? (2009/1/14)

DVL-K88: July 2009
DVK-900: June 2009
DVL-919, CLD-R5: May 2009
HLD-X9: July 2002
DVL-H9, LD-S9: June 2002

All More than 8 years have passed since the end of production of laser disc players.

Is it possible to continue to make inquiries regarding operations and usage other than repairs? (2020/11/13)

We will continue to support you as before.
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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2020, 18:04 
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A nice reminder that if Pioneer hadn’t taken over the entire operation we wouldn’t be here talking about LDs 40 years later and there wouldn’t be any working players.
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It's sad to hear about NOS parts being thrown away, but not surprising in this case :(
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isn't more cost effective to keep the inventory and sell it or pay the government and whoever else to get rid of it?
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