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PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 13:24 
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Hi folks, I registered here today!

Yesterday I connected the device, bought from ebay, Philips VLP 720 to the TV set via an antenna cable to try it out.
When you switch it on, the TV set goes into the channel for the device and the LD turns on
seeks and then becomes evenly without stopping.

Unfortunately there is no real picture!
It is like with a picture that you know when something has to be readjusted on the TV set after a station search.
You can see dimly that something can be seen, but through the many horizontal stripes nothing really comes out, and the picture is also standing.

What could that be ???

The original Philips laser vision demo disk is in the player, unfortunately I don't have another one!

I posted a video of it on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCX-ZjJ-XjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Wp-4tofSk

My English was interpreted by Google
Unfortunately, I don't speak English very well
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 Post subject: Re: Philips VLP 720 bad picture
PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 17:48 
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I'm trying to keep my english as simple as possible for this answer.

Early Phillips players from 70s and early 80s. Like the one you have. Are unfortunately known for being very faulty. Many people say, that a big reason why LD failed was because these players broke so much. My best guess is that your laser is failing.

The sad fact is, that these phillips players are not bought to be used. They are almost always broken. People buy these to be a nice collectible sitting on the shelf. But for use you should have gotten a Pioneer player from the 90s.

And here is probably the biggest problem. Even if you somehow got this fixed. This player is only able to play 1-2% OF ALL THE LASERDISCS ever released. This is because it's a PAL only player. So it ouright cannot play 89% laserdiscs that are NTSC. And then out of the PAL discs it can ONLY play discs made BEFORE 1988. If you play any newer ones, you will not get any sound. This is because it cannot play digital soundtracks.

So all and all, this is a nice collectible to be shown around. It shouldn't be used as a player anymore. It's a nice shelf piece and a conversation starter. If you want a player to actually use it. You should look into Pioneer players from the 90s. Stuff like the Pioneer CLD 1450, 1750, 1850, 2850, 950, 1950, 2950, S315, D515, D925, DVL 909, DVL 919e. Those players are actually still good to be used, rather than just being nice showpieces.

Personally I would keep the player as a collectible on my shelf.
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PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 18:50 
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Thanks for your answer!
If I don't get it to work, I'll keep the device as a collector's item!
Since I am a Philips fan and own a lot of Philips devices and am also very satisfied, I would have a question!
How is the quality of the newer Philips laser players
Philips CDV400, LPD410, CDV786, CDV486, CDV475,

Is there a Philips device that can play both PAL and NTSC,
how can both analog and digital play?
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 Post subject: Re: Philips VLP 720 bad picture
PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 19:54 
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The cdv 400, 475 and 786 are definitely better. They are more reliable than your current player. So you probably are able to find a working version. They are PAL only so cannot play the NTSC discs. (So it cannot play asian or american discs which are 89% of laserdiscs. But it can play all of the european discs including the ones with digital sound.

The 486 i'm not sure since I can't find much info about it. There is a Philips player called cdc 486 which cannot play laserdiscs so i'm confused. That player is a cd player that can play cd sized laserdics. It's confusing I know. But if there is a full sized player named 486 as well. I can say same things as I said about the cdv 400, 475 and 786.

Now the LDP 410 is the best out of those. For one it is the newest out of them. Since Philips started calling it laserdisc by this point. But more importantly from the little info I can find, it was a PAL/NTSC machine. So it can play all laserdiscs. (USA, Asian and all european discs both analog and digital ones) But since there is so little info I'm not 100% sure. Some sources claim it can and others say it cannot. But even if it cannot it is the best out of those players since it is the newest. With this thing you might not know. The Pioneer CLD 1450 is PAL/NTSC despite it claiming it was PAL only.

Now in my opinion the best philips player is the LDP 600ws. It was the last Philips player and I can confirm it was a PAL/NTSC player. So if you can get your hands on that get it. But the LDP 410 is the best out of your list. Especially if it happens to be PAL/NTSC.

Here's the source btw that claims the LDP 410 is PAL/NTSC https://www.cd-museum.de/57-hardware/bi ... die-player
And here's one that says it's PAL only. At least google translated it to PAL unique. http://laserdiscplaza.fr/forumld/viewto ... =26&t=2847

I have to mention none of these players seem to be as reliable as Pioneer. And personally I would just get a Pioneer. But if you must have Philips this hopefully helped you.
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PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 20:38 
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thank you for your help / answer!

Will still think about whether it will be a Philips or a Pioneer.
If it becomes a Philips, I will ask the seller whether it can really play PAL and NTSC!
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PostPosted: 01 May 2021, 20:46 
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Yeah hopefully this helped your choice. And again I can confirm the 600ws is PAL/NTSC but cannot confirm the 410.

But I have to also mention that even the 600ws is missing some of the features the later pioneers have. It doesn't have AC3 RF so you cannot get that. (Though you need a demodulador which costs 100s of euros so this might not be a big deal) It also cannot switch automaticly sides which depends on you if that's a big deal.

if you happen to go with Pioneer make sure it's PAL/NTSC. The pioneer models I mentioned in my first post are all of the PAL/NTSC Pioneer consumer models. Avoid the CLD 1850, 2850, 950 and S315. They actually have the opposite problem to your current Philips. As they cannot play sound of PAL analog discs. All other players on the list should suit you fine. But just a quick warning on those Pioneer players.

It would be nice if you could give me a thanks. (If you can locate that yellow thumbs up button) Normally I wouldn't ask for a thanks but I honestly put quite a lot of research trying to help you with those players so it would be nice.
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PostPosted: 02 May 2021, 06:49 
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Just incase you still want to fix your current player, I might be able to help you a little.

The player before your VLP 720 was VLP 600/700 (the only difference between 600 and 700 is that one of them has a remote). It is also known as the Magnavox VH8000 in USA. Technology connection youtuber has one of those and in his video he also mentions how his one is broken. His player seems to have the same problem as yours. But his player is even worse as it can only get unstable black and white image. Check out that part at 11:20 mark of this video



Anyway just saying that compared to that yours is probably in good condition. But recently there is a thread in this forum where someone was able to fix the VLP 600/700 model. I think the internals of the two players might be similar, so you might get some help out of this.

Here is the link to that thread Successful repair of Philips VLP-600!

And here is the link where he tells how he repaired the machine http://madeye.org/vlp600/

So if you try to fix this thing. Hopefully I was able to help you a little bit with this. I'm not sure if this guy who repaired the VLP 600/700 has the same issue. But it's probably the closest thing to a guide to help fixing your machine. And as you can see from this video below, his VLP 600 works just fine now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... =emb_title
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PostPosted: 02 May 2021, 09:50 
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Now the record doesn't run at all, it starts up and after a few seconds the lid opens each time, now I think it's all over!

You can now hear a clack when the record is inside!
I simulated the closed lid by inserting a screwdriver into the closure so that I can see whether the laser (red light is on) the laser is flashing and the flashing laser also produces the so-called clack,
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