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PostPosted: 06 Jun 2021, 08:49 
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Just relocated my LD setup and wondering if there is a better s-video cable that could squeeze out even a better picture from my R7G.
Currently using a very short Tech+Link S-Video cable.
I know from my D590 using some cheap composite cable to a good decent 75OHM shielded is noticeably better to me.
Just curious what to look for in a S-Video cable if i could see any improvement or am i just squeezing blood out of a stone? :eh:
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2021, 11:49 
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jakeheke wrote:
Just relocated my LD setup and wondering if there is a better s-video cable that could squeeze out even a better picture from my R7G.
Currently using a very short Tech+Link S-Video cable.
I know from my D590 using some cheap composite cable to a good decent 75OHM shielded is noticeably better to me.
Just curious what to look for in a S-Video cable if i could see any improvement or am i just squeezing blood out of a stone? :eh:


I’ve tried various s-video cables over the years and have had several higher end examples from the likes of Kimber, Chord, Ixos etc. All of these offer a slight improvement over the regular stuff in the £/€2-15 bracket when viewed on my projection setup and no doubt the same would apply for high-end oled displays of say over 50”. I’m thinking your 7G is definitely deserving the best you can afford Jake?
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2021, 13:00 
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I took the gaffer's advice above when I got my R7G. I got a juicy one for it. I think it's made out of gold, frankenstein and myrrh.

Usually I don't care for cables when it's digital stuff. For analog though I do care. I don't mind paying more for a well made cable with quality materials.

I draw the line at the snake oil stuff. Cables built by virgins, airgapped by particles of uranium and sheathed in layers of minerals so rare they have to be mined from alien planets outside of our galaxy. No thanks.

Make sure to pet your R7G regularly too. Let it know you appreciate it's brilliance. :D
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2021, 14:05 
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Quality s-video cables matter...but mostly I say this because some are so bad, not because you’ll actually see the benefits of oxygen free copper or whatever. I do recommend gold plated stuff though, just because it never corrodes. Get something that won’t fall out but also won’t destroy the port. Use the shortest cable you can and don’t route it too close to other power supplies, amps, etc.

Medium end Monster should do the trick, still available here and there online for less than $10 since almost nobody uses s-video anymore.
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 06 Jun 2021, 16:21 
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I had monster cables, they were higher end and picked them up cheap on ebay used.
Had black net on the cable, totally overbuilt but did a really nice job compared to cheaper ones I had.

I no longer use these anymore for video.
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2021, 03:17 
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Interesting. I read several years back in a technical printing that the laserdisc video output was a composite video and S-video was not any better. Love to hear the other side of that conclusion. Thanks
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PostPosted: 07 Jun 2021, 06:36 
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xyscaling wrote:
Interesting. I read several years back in a technical printing that the laserdisc video output was a composite video and S-video was not any better. Love to hear the other side of that conclusion. Thanks



You are correct about that but there are exceptions to every rule. The application of S-Video for LD can be looked at from this perspective.....


The comb filter in the TV is superior than the Y/C Separator in the LD player; you use the composite output of the player.

The comb filter in the TV is inferior than the Y/C Separator in the LD player; you use the S-Video output of the player.


Also, many LD players from 1993 and later (like the Pioneer CLD-D703) actually has a re-processed composite video out post Y/C separation so it may have a compromised quality to it. With this in mind, it just keeps making it more complicated deciding which is better. So, If you are not sure which device has the better video processing circuit, you try both and see which one has the more pleasing picture to you.
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PostPosted: 07 Jun 2021, 07:58 
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Make sure to pet your R7G regularly too. Let it know you appreciate it's brilliance. :D


Its was lucky enough to be given a good thorough clean.
May give it a pat at Christmas time... :P

Thanks for the input team :thumbup:
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 07 Jun 2021, 14:19 
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xyscaling wrote:
Interesting. I read several years back in a technical printing that the laserdisc video output was a composite video and S-video was not any better. Love to hear the other side of that conclusion. Thanks


Do a search.
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PostPosted: 07 Jun 2021, 17:00 
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rein-o wrote:
xyscaling wrote:
Interesting. I read several years back in a technical printing that the laserdisc video output was a composite video and S-video was not any better. Love to hear the other side of that conclusion. Thanks


Do a search.


Don’t search. Just try it both ways yourself and ignore other people’s qualitative opinions of other peoples’ setups.
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 08 Jun 2021, 18:30 
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signofzeta wrote:
rein-o wrote:
xyscaling wrote:
Interesting. I read several years back in a technical printing that the laserdisc video output was a composite video and S-video was not any better. Love to hear the other side of that conclusion. Thanks


Do a search.


Don’t search. Just try it both ways yourself and ignore other people’s qualitative opinions of other peoples’ setups.


Because LD is composite, it has to be converted "somewhere". The key is which converter "somewhere" is better. Is the converter in your LD player better? Or is the converter in your TV better? Or your receiver? Or your composite to HDMI doodad from amazon.com ?

Like signofzeta says, try it both ways. Look for stair step patterns on diagonal white lines ( i remember using the stripes on a road). Look for checkerboard pattersn in color transitions.
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 09 Jun 2021, 21:22 
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A good thing about the S-Video mini din type connector is that it's pretty hard to over-engineer into a connector breaking "monster" like certain old Monster RCA cables. The insertion force on some of those old "videophile" RCA cables was ridiculous and could literally tear the connectors off the pcb in your equipment. Basically, there's little constraint on the outer diameter of RCA plugs, leading to one's with the death grip, while that din plug is tight quarters (and different mechanics) such that they pretty much have to stick to spec dimensions.
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 Post subject: Re: S-Video Cables
PostPosted: 16 Jun 2021, 00:56 
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Hello all, long time since I posted.

I agree with the mid range Monster.

I use Acoustic Research Master Series. Hah, despite the hubris of the whole brand name and line (Master Series lol), they are really nice mid range cables to be had affordably.
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